For a people and country, supposedly into fairness and justice, it sure takes a while for whites to admit when they're wrong:
At this rate - long after I'm gone - somebody's going to find this blog and say, "Damn, you know what? If it wasn't for racism, that Crack guy would've been known for being right about everything."
Oh well, I'll be the bad boy for contemporary fools, instead,...
Careful. Massah Trooper Jim York will hunt you down and give you a whipping for sure. And he'll probably bring his Shouting Grit Chicken Knockout Posse with him.
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There is nothing macho Crack in following that dog fucker Meade. Meade is only trying to stir the pot and does not give a shit about you.
ReplyDeleteIt is right to speak out about what is wrong.
Read Crime and Punishment, Crack.
ReplyDeleteYou get to be Raskolnikov.
The question to answer is... How long until you can justify to yourself killing the landlady and taking her stuff?
ST: Hey, you brought AA into this. I was talking about Meade's unhealthy fixation on other people's dogs. But your Crime and Punishment reference is a good one.
ReplyDeleteImpotent men posse. Afraid of a black man's virility.
ReplyDeleteEBL -- I probably should have followed up my post with this:
ReplyDeleteA problem is that blacks are overrepresented as a group as far as those visits from the social worker, and are as a group the ones who seemed to express the most frustration with the situation (in my personal experience; the mileage may vary, but I think it does illustrate a trend). I also think that it is directly related to events that happened 150 years ago to the present. As has this notion that while white, oriental, or latin juveniles (and they are out there)and adults are not exhorted to be so conscious of their actions or other's actions vis a vis their race and community, but blacks are -- I never once heard anyone sermonize to those kids to be "good examples of their race", but blacks get it all the time. They are also quite aware that none of this gets used on whites particularly.
This encourages a focus on race (especially encouraging a lot of divisiveness), imhao, and takes individuality off the table. It creates divisions where there probably shouldn't be -- we're all Americans after all, and people (that's probably a good thing to consider too).
Why should an entire group of people be made to feel personally responsible for the actions of individuals? Or even the need to try and be a mouthpiece, especially if this means playing along with denigrating the entirety of the group one belongs too?
Do you feel the need to explain, feel responsible for, be a mouthpiece for what some women do? Does anyone tell you to behave yourself (whatever that might mean, usually to not act "uppity") so as to be a shining example of the female gender? How would you feel if they did?
Ah, didn't think so -- so why put somebody else in that position?
PW
Actually PW, you are wrong. White is too broad a category (as is gender). But plenty of immigrants did not want their children bringing shame 1) on their families and 2) on their ethnic group (and that was further narrowed based on what village they came from).
ReplyDeleteIn the melting pot, the ethnic ties were the first to go (not necessarily bad, assimilation is often a positive thing). It is the break down of families, however, that is a big deal and that is causing a lot of harm. The break down of families is not just a black phenomenon, that effects all groups.
The knockout game is a symptom of failing families and parenting.
EBL -- nobody in school lectured me on how I had to provide a shining example to the benefit of the Italian ethnicity; no politician ever did it, and nobody has ever tried to make me a mouthpiece or explainer for every damn Italian-American in the country. No group ever gave me the wink, wink, nudge, nudge and proceeded to whisper "I can talk to you about those greasy dagoes because you're not like them" and expected me to go along with it.
ReplyDeleteI've ran into an ignorant few who did just that, but it was an ignorant few...the numbers don't stack up against what black people have had to deal with, and that is the difference.
And Mr. Jarrett knows, or should know, exactly why I went after him -- there is a very big difference between defending yourself if confronted whilst out minding one's own business and saying "I'd like to go into a community with my firearm (described in detail) and show them...get a little payback for Mr. Belton". I have been quite exacting in my comments for a reason; I have came out and been very blunt -- if people can't seem to tell the difference, well, that's not my fault.
PW
PW, well that is your experience.
ReplyDeleteI know plenty whose parents pushed them to 1) do well in school, 2) stay out of trouble and 3) not shame the family. That is the Asian and Jewish stereotype that is most certainly not limited to Asians and Jews.
As far as comments about ethnic group negative stereotypes--I can assure you that is not an issue limited to blacks (although they get it more than most).
To suggest the problem in the black community is too much expectation on working hard, staying out of legal trouble, and working hard for success is delusional.
EBL -- and you don't think that there are blacks out there who don't do the same for their kids?
ReplyDeleteDo you think they all live in the inner city and are on welfare? Do you think that all of them in the inner city are all the same? Do you think the ones in the inner city, on welfare, living in act all alike?
Many of them are very average people who do want their kids to do well in school (not easy considering the schools), don't want them shaming their family (again, not easy, considering the neighborhoods), and on top of that they have to deal with people thinking that because they are black, live in the inner city, are poor and on welfare that indeed they don't want any of those things (which somehow nobody else who isn't black, living in the inner city, on welfare do, because....difference).
This is shortsighted -- and yeah, maybe it's just my experience, but I'm afraid I will have to live by what I have witnessed rather than what someone tells me to the contrary -- having seen and heard tends to make one think otherwise.
PW
PW, yes of course. Ultimately stereotypes are just broad generalities.
ReplyDeleteAnd yes there are plenty of whites who are going to hell in a hand basket. Just watch Here Comes Honey Boo Boo sometime.
What slays me in all of this is that I am, by my own admission, the backwoods living, K-12 was all in one building, didn't wear shoes the majority of the time, squirrel killing and eating, hillbilly, lived in Duck Dynasty without the duck call millions, (no lie, been there done that, have the squirrel jacketing skills to attest to it) bigot here...and if I can see it and admit to it, well, what the hell is up with my sophisticated, wealthier, better educated, city dwelling betters?
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Which is one of the reasons why I always fired back at Crack to please reconsider the "hillbilly" remarks, by the way.
Which, by the way, it hasn't passed by my notice that all y'all sure do like to make remarks about debased (insert immigrant group here) or toothless/stupid/inbred/trailer living rural hillbillies when it suits you. And you've been really quick to point fingers at the same as the real problem going on with whites...somehow, I get the feeling this is a convenient lie.
ReplyDeleteWell, fuck y'all! I've been wanting to say that for a long time...damn sanctimonious hypocrites; you called up this ball, now play the game and don't cry if your feelings get hurt. You've expected people to sit back and take all of your shit, and now you want to play the victim card? No sir, the rules have changed.
PW
And I'm sorry EBL, if it seemed like I was unloading on you...but I think you know who I am talking about, and the unloading stands for them.
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And I'll take Honey Boo Boo and her clan over them. I've grown up around a lot of IL versions of Honey Boo Boo; yeah, they're poor, and it's easy to make fun of them and point fingers...but most are damn decent folks and don't deserve either scorn or condescending attitudes.
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OH, you hurt me so!
ReplyDeleteGive it a rest Sparky; it's obvious you didn't read what I said or understand what I was saying -- because you are either incapable or unwilling, or both.
And I've been called worse by better.
As for tying me to a lamp post...am I supposed to be afraid of you now or something?
PW
Funny, the only person around here who seems to be implying that bad things should be done to me is...well, a self admitted white guy.
ReplyDeleteWho then says he wouldn't because he is white...hmmm.
As for letting me in on the black guy conspiracy to tie me to a lamp post and show me Newark hospitality (which I guess infers that it isn't too hospitable), well thanks for informing me there white brother; this poor ignorant hick appreciates it.
So...does this only apply to all black men, or just black men from Newark? Because not one black man that I've previously known -- including some of my bosses -- have ever let on that they wanted to tie me to a lamp post or fuck me up. I'm sure there are some assholes out there though; world's a harsh place, and not all people are decent.
Although one trainer on the racetrack did offer me a place to stay at his home, with his family, during my youth, when I didn't have a place to live...which was damn hospitable. Since he was black he must have just been real good about hiding his lamp post tying intentions, so good he never got around to it.
PW
Oh obviously. That has got to be it.
ReplyDeleteThanks for the fun sugar; it's been a real pleasure.
PW
I have nothing but scorn for Honey Boo Boo's mother. She ruined that girl. I find bad parenting offensive.
ReplyDeleteI see what Honey Boo Boo's mom did as pretty much the same thing a lot of poor mom's who push their kids into sports do, or poor people who spend cash every week on the lottery: right or wrong they've got this notion that if their kid can "make it big" then all problems for the family will be solved.
ReplyDeleteIt's easy to sit back and tell them where they go wrong, but then again, we're not in their situation, and we might do the exact same things if we were.
I tend to be a bit more lenient towards the Honey Boo Boos of the world in comparison to some of the soccer moms who do the same thing to their kids and don't have the excuse of wishfully thinking that their kid's making it will lift them out of a sucky situation.
I've also noticed that those soccer moms definitely get a pass for doing the exact same things, sometimes worse -- why is that? They are guilty of the same damn shit; why is that?
And at least Honey Boo Boo hasn't wound up like Jon Benet Ramsey...so there's that on the "ruined that child" point to ponder as well.
PW
That is very forgiving of you of Honey Boo Boo's mother. I also see what you did PW in baiting ST and then mocking him when he responded back.
ReplyDeleteI'm not "forgiving", I'm just lenient -- because I've met people rather like that family and know their stories.
ReplyDeleteSome guy goes off his handle with me, and it's my fault because I somehow baited/mind controlled him into saying the things he did?
That's rich.
PW
Ok, so what exactly was meant by saying it?
ReplyDeleteOr was this one of those "you'll shut up if you know what's good for you", teaching moments type of things?
I realize I somehow mind controlled you into making those comments and bear all responsibility for everything you said and say, but the train of logic is a bit confusing...hey, it's hard being a dumb hick.
PW
If you like, I'll call your mommy and reassure her that you're gonna be OK.
ReplyDeleteMy mom is dead; it would be newsworthy I suppose if you managed to get ahold of her.
ReplyDeleteSo now it's that you did say what you said, and somehow I'd benefit from being tied to a lamp post...can you at all see where it looks like you're coming from here?
And yeah, I did get sarcastic with you; that's admittedly so -- but I'm not taking it back. Right now it's about as good as you deserve.
PW
PW, I assume it's evident by now that Shouting Turd is certifiable.
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